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these are you when they in your church

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levee performance is sweeter nothing can

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beat her life is complete or in go make

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hello higher sad shatters Greg girl

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would here along with my good friend an

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occasional co-host Kyle hello calma man

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hello Greg well let me tell you last

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week I took my special lady to this

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place that served a $65 Sunday and a

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goddamn pint glass and that was nothing

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compared to the treat i have for you

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tonight people a gen-u-wine nuclear

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physicist Stanton Friedman got his

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masters of science in physics at the

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University of Chicago in 1955 for 14

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years he worked for companies like GE GM

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McDonnell Douglas and Westinghouse on

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highly advanced in classified programs

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involving nuclear aircraft fission

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fusion rockets and various nuclear power

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plants for use on land and in space he

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left the corporate world appropriately

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in the 60s to forge a new path as a

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researcher in lecture on flying saucers

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and ufology having now lectured before

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more than 600 colleges and 100

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professional groups across all 50 states

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and around this big crazy rock he's

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provided written testimony to

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congressional hearings appeared twice at

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the UN and now in what's sure to be the

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highlight of an impressive career he

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joins us on my stupid stoner show the

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$65 Sunday of ufology Stan I'm clearly

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speechless thanks a million for being

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here how are you I think I'm glad to be

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on you know I hope so too but let's get

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into it Stan I really respect

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intelligence because my hands so limited

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as Kyle could probably tell you but

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coming off that intro having been on

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such a conventional trajectory for

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successful young science it's what led

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you to break from the mainstream

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philosophy to reject the idea of alien

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spacecraft I'll write and ignore any

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data associated with it well it's the

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reverse I jumped into looking at data

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and looked at a lot more data and found

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a lot of stuff I hadn't known

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studen started a lecture professional

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groups responded extremely well to the

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programs and when the bottom fell out of

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the advanced nuclear in space systems

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business as it did in nineteen seventy I

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gave my first lecture in 1967 I went

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full time Eufaula gisin if I can make up

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a word I and I found that there was

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enormous public interests and I've

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spoken all those colleges and

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professional groups and the thing is I

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professional community I one of my early

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Detroit for example they were sold out

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dinner and a talk and there wasn't one

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negative question now he's not a bunch

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of muddy guys up there in Detroit I

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section at Los Alamos National

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negative questions very responsive so I

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decided since on my ham I enjoyed being

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on the stage and the response was so

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good and I worried you know the first

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year or two is somebody gonna say

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something which throws out everything I

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thought was true and I'll have to bury

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that way as a matter of fact I found

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that in over seven hundred lectures I've

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had all of the eleven hecklers and two

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care the other nine I people are

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people really are interested in this

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subject and most of them except some

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UFOs alien spacecraft but are afraid to

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admit it right it there's a laughter

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curtain that's been erected by the nasty

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noisy negative astir than they sang

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newsman the fossilized physicist I like

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alliteration issues led and what I have

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tried to do is to take advantage of that

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so the space with facts data solid

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information and my early lectures

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especially I focused on five large-scale

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scientific studies and after each one

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I was nasty enough they asked how many

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people here have read this and I know

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that it was fewer than 2% all the time

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you need so that I know that I'm

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presenting information that people

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aren't really aware of because the the

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popular risers of the negative movements

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haven't told them about it so I'm

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filling a need I'm replacing the boy I

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better not say anything but Oh everybody

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else is interested too and a good

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illustration of this at the end of many

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of my lectures I will ask the first

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question how many people here believe

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that they have seen what I would

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describe as a flying saucer I'd given

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definitions early in the lecture and I'm

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like a joke you know we didn't let the

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CIA and it's okay just raise your hand

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and I'll point and count and then I

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start doing that the hands go up

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reluctantly you can totally just barely

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get up over their heads but I'm on a

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stage I can see them by the time i get

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each person had body was the only one

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thousand people out there that's a

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hundred people who had sightings but

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then i asked the embarrassing question

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how many of you reported what you saw

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ninety percent of the hands go down

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mm-hmm and when people come up to my

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table and they want me to sign their

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books or whatever though they've got to

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come either story they gotta tell

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somebody who's not gonna laugh at him

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you know and that's me I laugh at the

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nasty noisy negative reaction and and i

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will ask after listen to their story

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i'll say did you report it no why not

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they think I was some kind of a nut that

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I'm trying to do something about that

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hard time you come on so strong because

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I've reached four major conclusions

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after tea now it's what 54 years since i

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began studying you if you follow if you

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will read a little guy I my birthday is

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sunday i'll turn 78 and i'm not a chance

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happy early birthday thank you

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uh Peter Jennings was born on july

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twenty ninth and so is Benito Mussolini

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an exalted company I am anyway what I

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find is that people are interested they

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want to do something about it they don't

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know how so I try to fill that void with

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facts with data and I raise all the

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objections of the nasty noisy negative s

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and I demolish them I don't ignore them

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and you see the four major conclusions

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very straightforward one the evidence is

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overwhelming that plunder earth is being

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visited by intelligently controlled

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extraterrestrial spacecraft in other

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words some underlying 37 times some UFOs

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are really in space Creek most earnest

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about the ones who are the second

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conclusion is we're dealing with a

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within major governments have known

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since at least July 1947 that indeed

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some UFOs or alien spacecraft you don't

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keep secrets by telling everybody and

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hoping nobody will talk you releases

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little information as possible i worked

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under security for 14 years I've been to

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of documents are out there that you

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don't have accessed right the third

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conclusions there are no good arguments

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against the first to conclude anything

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and the fourth conclusion is we're

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dealing with the biggest story of the

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millennium visits the planet Earth play

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the best data bodies and wreckage for 65

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celebrate the 65th anniversary of the

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Roswell incident in 1947 so the there

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are four problems when you're trying to

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listen to the debunkers and I don't like

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to but I do listen to me like I refute

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their arguments there are four

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techniques for rules that they abide by

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one don't bother me with the facts my

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mind's made up right what the public

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doesn't know I'm not going to tell three

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if you can't attack the data attack

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the people it's easier and nobody'll

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know the difference and for do your

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research by Proclamation investigation

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is too much trouble and who's going to

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know and so when you're right as soon as

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you recognize these and you keep

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listening for the signs one of the

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named philip klass who were several anti

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UFO books senior avionics editor for

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aviation week and space technology the

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late Philip Glass and on two different

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appearances on Larry King he talked

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about the book that was under discussion

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and one was by dr. David Jacobs who

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specializes in abductions and all those

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people are have mental health problems

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not phil was trained in electrical

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engineering the forward to the book was

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written by dr. John Mack Harvard

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psychiatrist you'd think he'd be in a

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better position to judge anyway halfway

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through the program larry s him did you

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book so you learn to be very wary of

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pronouncements from on high and to make

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sure that the people have actually

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looked at the evidence and one of my pet

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communities is the setting community you

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know search for extraterrestrial

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intelligence and they're just not doing

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it right well frankly SETI should stand

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for a silly effort to investigate as we

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really based on bad science they're

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assuming for some reason that aliens are

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sending messages to us why I have no

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idea and secondly they're assuming that

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they're using technology that's

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appropriate to our technology existed

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long distance radio since nineteen oh

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one big deal I mean there are stars that

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my favorite stars for which from which

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aliens originated on planets around

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Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli mm-hmm it's

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the constellation of reticulum you can't

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see him from here you gotta go below the

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equator these come out of the Betty and

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Barney Hill story and there's a whole

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chapter in the book captured the Betty

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and Barney Hill folk experience for

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myself and Catherine Martin

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who's Betty's niece has only had noses

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tapes all the rest of that anyway those

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bass stars uh the 39.3 light-years away

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understand mm-hmm they're only an eighth

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of a light year apart which means that

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the boondocks right kend a little extra

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detail there are cool billion years

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older than the Sun now you think they're

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stuck with our technology from 111 years

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ago you know that's absurd when we start

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looking at the evidence we find out that

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none of the arguments stand up I mean

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you can't get here from there well you

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can't get from fredericton new brunswick

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where i live to Los Angeles in 10 hours

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on a bicycle right or in a car but

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getting the right airplanes you can do

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it or you get on the space station it

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goes around the whole planet in 90

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minutes it took Magellan's ship three

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years to go around the planet back in

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1522 that was not long ago on a cosmic

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time scale so and the kicker here is

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that I worked on nuclear fishing rod

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rockets I think you have a picture of

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one of them it says phoebus on it I'm

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toward the bottom and that was tested in

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the late 1960s it was built by Los

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Alamos and it's big brother Phoebus too

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i think i sent you the Phoebus one the

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famous to be less than seven feet in

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diameter power level 4400 megawatts

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that's twice Hoover Dam if you want

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something to compare it to which is

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larger than seven feet inside the

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exhaust temperature it uses liquid

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hydrogen and goes in liquid comes out at

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very hot gas temperature about the 4300

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degrees Fahrenheit and it worked that's

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no clear fishin I worked on a study of

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nuclear fusion that's really the

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exciting kind of

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potion system fusion for people don't

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recognize is the major source of energy

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throughout the universe all the stars

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produce their energy not by burning gas

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but by nuclear fusion processes and it's

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a little more efficient than burning gas

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or even than fishing we use the right

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stuff and the right way and kick

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particles out the back end of a fusion

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rocket that have 10 million times as

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much energy per particle as I can get in

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the dumb old chemical rocket and the

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thing is it's one of the things about

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the city guys they never refer to the

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advance of propulsion systems they think

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they'd have to be developed at a

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university had a guy tell me two guys

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tell me frankly that if Roswell really

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happens Stan they would have had to put

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half the physicist out of colleges

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across the country and I left I said

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you've got to be kidding yeah but you

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realize that we got national

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laboratories like Los Alamos and

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oakridge and Hanford and Sandia and

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Lawrence Livermore and we got companies

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like GE and Westinghouse and Lockheed

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and Boeing and all these guys plenty of

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guys with appropriate security

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clearances and very sharp talons out

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there um you know the Manhattan Project

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well it was done secretly first thing

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some people say it involves many is a

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hundred thousand people others say only

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60,000 the gaseous diffusion plant at

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Oak Ridge Tennessee used five percent of

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the electrical power produced in the

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United States to pump uranium

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hexafluoride a gas through little holes

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and nickel barriers in order to enrich

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it in u-235 the plant was a mile long

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done a secret use five percent of the

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electrical power of the United States

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and it was in Tennessee because they had

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TB a Tennessee Valley Authority they

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produced electricity and you know was a

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big project and when I well as an

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example i worked on aircraft nuclear

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propulsion systems and I mention that

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people look at me what's he talking

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about work for General Electric here

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their propulsion department Cincinnati

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1958 we spent 100 million dollars that

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was a lot of money for 1958 we annoyed

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30 35 hundred people of whom 1,100 were

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engineers and scientists this wasn't

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eight professors and 25 grad students

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this is a major undertaking would you

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believe that we have nuclear-powered

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aircraft carriers that can operate for

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18 years without refueling I read that

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in the book that that was the first time

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I had ever heard that that is crazy oh

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it is razy but I mean it just

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illustrates and this was not done in

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academia it was done an industry of

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course mm-hmm but that's nuclear fission

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now look at the progression from 1944 we

377
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had ten ton blockbusters these are that

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was a name for our biggest bombs and

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they weighed ten tons he like 10 tons of

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explosive and made a big hole in the

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ground boy I'll tell you at 1945 we

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tested the first atomic bomb it produced

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the energy of about 19,000 tons of

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explosives and boy we really went at it

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in 1952 the first nuclear device uh 10

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million tons of TNT wow that was a three

387
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mile wide fireball man and what just a

388
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minute what do you think they're at

389
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today well we we know that the Russians

390
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tested a bigger 157 million tons of

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explosive energy release equivalent and

392
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fortunately things have slowed down

393
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we've only tested and people realize

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we've exploded two thousand nuclear

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weapons on this planet only two of them

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and anger thank goodness you know I'm

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glad of that but 2002 clear weapons and

398
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the point of mentioning this is that

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gets you to one of the key questions not

400
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just can you get here from there which

401
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you can if you want to spend the money

402
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but why would they come here why don't

403
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they land on the White House lawn you

404
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know how they sit down for tea or

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whatever let's step back a little to

406
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look at those numbers I just gave

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we used weapons during the war world war

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two we killed 60 million of our own kind

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some people say 70 I'm very concerning

410
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so I only said 60 yes and we destroyed

411
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seventeen hundreds cities now if you

412
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were an alien would you want us out

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there I don't like no no of course not

414
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and you know why come here to make sure

415
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we don't go up there you got to keep

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tabs on the primitives in the

417
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neighborhood but only close tabs on the

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primitives to show signs of being able

419
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to bother you and what better place to

420
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do that in 1947 and then divide a desert

421
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you know I mean that's where we were

422
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testing a lot of our cutting-edge

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technology am i right well look in July

424
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1947 at the time of Roswell there were

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three signs that any visiting alien

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would notice that would indicate soon we

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be moving out nuclear weapons powerful

428
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rockets the German v2 our personal clear

429
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weapon test was in 1945 at trinity site

430
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which is on the grounds of the white

431
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sands missile range which is where we

432
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were testing the captured german rockets

433
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and where we had our best radar which is

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the beginning of the electronics

435
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revolution really just before World War

436
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two ah and that's where runs well this

437
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is southeastern New Mexico now

438
00:20:02,080 --> 00:19:59,720
admittedly I had a very haughty British

439
00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:02,090
astronomer say on a television program a

440
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lake could have gone in a Soviet Union

441
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and he said no sorry I didn't test their

442
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first nuclear weapon until nineteen

443
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forty nine so I I can understand them

444
00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:15,710
being there and I can understand their

445
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concern with us and I can understand the

446
00:20:28,029 --> 00:20:23,090
military's concern with the aliens I

447
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:28,039
have personally heard seven stories of

448
00:20:35,049 --> 00:20:32,240
airplanes military planes chasing UFOs

449
00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:35,059
and not coming back if I've heard seven

450
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:36,470
such stories have been a lot more than

451
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:39,610
that and people don't realize it but in

452
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1952 the military gave orders that was a

453
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big year for UFO sightings

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shoot them down if they don't land when

455
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instructed to do so that's what was what

456
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said those were the orders it was in the

457
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newspapers and they even named the

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military officer and there was an Air

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Force general who shortly thereafter

460
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said we've scrambled them three hundred

461
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times what can I say there's a lot going

462
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on the mutual UFO network largest UFO

463
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group around mm-hmm I has been getting

464
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over 600 sighting reports a month for

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years it's a lot of sightings

466
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something's definitely happening yeah it

467
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is and the point isn't that I'm saying

468
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every UFO sightings an alien spacecraft

469
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of course not no and every isotope of

470
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uranium is not fashionable either so

471
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what right it only tells if one if one

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is that's that's la you know history

473
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changing yeah and and that's the thing

474
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that history has been changing and some

475
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people may get a little upset when I say

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we're primitive society as major

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activity is tribal where for warfare but

478
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the u.s. just passed a new military

479
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budget the other day six hundred billion

480
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dollars you throw in the rest of the

481
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planet and Earthlings will spend

482
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approximately a trillion dollars this

483
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coming year sad and thousands of

484
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children die every single day of

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preventable disease or starvation that

486
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tells you a lot about this planet I

487
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think yeah I mean I feel like so many

488
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people you know he would hear what

489
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:28,080
you're saying and feel the exact same

490
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way but it just kind of in one way seems

491
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to be outside of our control you know

492
00:22:37,550 --> 00:22:35,390
there seems to be people who want to

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operate a certain way and no matter

494
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which leaders we tend to elect they

495
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always always seem to just want to

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engage in warfare it's an unfortunate

497
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circumstance that that's how you get

498
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boats isn't it I'm stronger than their

499
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car kenley so um now let me ask you

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about Roswell because you know you

501
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:56,610
reopened the case in 1970 even no one

502
00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:58,650
was talking about it you've done tons of

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research

504
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doing it today probably for 40 years

505
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:03,840
you've been talking about it but I gotta

506
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have you walk me through the Roswell

507
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case because there's so much wild

508
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speculation that they were Japanese poww

509
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experiments or there were no bodies or

510
00:23:16,550 --> 00:23:14,190
crash tests on me so what does it look

511
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like to you the Roswell case well trim

512
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more crazy stories than you can shake a

513
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stick at right first of all we have to

514
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recognize that nobody came running to me

515
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with the Roswell story hey Stan I got a

516
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good one for you right at all I was in

517
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Baton Rouge Louisiana the television

518
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stations promoting my lecture that night

519
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this in 1978 promoting my lecture that

520
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,560
night at Louisiana State University and

521
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I had done two interviews I supposed to

522
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do with third one at the station and the

523
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reporter was nowhere to be found no cell

524
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phone thing so you know how do you how

525
00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:51,150
do you find her where is she and the guy

526
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:52,920
the station managers give me coffee he's

527
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:54,420
looking at his watch because he knew the

528
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:55,890
people who brought me to the station he

529
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,290
knew I had other things to do in out of

530
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the blue he says you know the guy you

531
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:03,240
got to talk to is jesse marcel and

532
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:05,250
brilliant investigator that I am I said

533
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:09,060
who's he oh he handled wreckage from one

534
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:10,470
of those saucers you're interested in

535
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:13,130
when he was in the military what I

536
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:16,410
dropped my teeth you know tell me more

537
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:17,850
what do you know about him he lives in

538
00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:19,830
Houma Louisiana what didn't tell me

539
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:22,430
anything didn't know where homo who does

540
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I've been there since to talk to Jesse

541
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:28,860
anyway he told me about Jesse and then

542
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the reporter showed up and had a great

543
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:32,460
crowd that night the next day from the

544
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:35,580
airport I was there a bit early I called

545
00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:37,710
information this is before the internet

546
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,470
you understand right now it's easier

547
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:42,780
called information got a number for

548
00:24:47,180 --> 00:24:45,660
Jesse Marcel talked to him and he told

549
00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:47,190
me a story now he couldn't deny it

550
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:49,590
because as I found out later his picture

551
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:52,050
was in newspapers all over the place the

552
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,410
story was all over the place he could

553
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,640
hardly say oh I didn't have anything to

554
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,260
do with that well you know there wasn't

555
00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:00,600
a story so he told me he was the

556
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:03,660
intelligence officer for the 509 now

557
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,490
it's an important thing to recall that

558
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:08,280
the 50 ninth was the most elite military

559
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,340
group in the world why do I say that

560
00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:13,500
because they dropped the atomic bombs

561
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,800
Hiroshima and Nagasaki 45 and they

562
00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:18,360
dropped two more in operation crossroads

563
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:22,430
in 1946 that was out in the Pacific and

564
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:25,470
so all the officers were hand-picked

565
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:29,000
officers high level of clearances etc so

566
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:31,470
he's the intelligence officer he's the

567
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:33,570
duty officer for the day on Sunday the

568
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,910
sixth they get a call from the Sheriff's

569
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:38,460
Office that a rancher had come in with

570
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:41,880
some strange wreckage now I should add

571
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:44,130
that there were we now know the roughly

572
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,380
a thousand sightings in the June July

573
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,960
time frame right here Kenneth Arnold's

574
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,460
big sighting on june twenty-fourth

575
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:52,500
started the ball rolling so just two

576
00:26:00,680 --> 00:25:58,710
weeks earlier and so the sheriff

577
00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:00,690
naturally called the base as he was

578
00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:02,190
supposed to if there was anything that

579
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:04,230
might involve the base nobody was

580
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:06,270
talking about Martians or anything like

581
00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:08,490
that but people were seeing awful

582
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:10,830
strange stuff flying very fast all over

583
00:26:16,790 --> 00:26:12,330
the United States and some other

584
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,800
countries and so the chef was supposed

585
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:18,960
to call the base he talked to Jesse

586
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:20,610
Jesse went and looked at the records

587
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:22,140
that the ramp sure had brought in a

588
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:23,820
small amount of what was out of his

589
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:26,610
ranch he said there was nothing

590
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:28,230
conventional there at all he'd served

591
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:30,330
with Pacific 18 airplane crash if he

592
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:33,150
knew what to expect and he talks to the

593
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:35,940
base commander Colonel Blanchard the

594
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:37,080
blocks man says take the

595
00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:39,300
counterintelligence Corps guy that means

596
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:41,190
he was concerned about who's spying on

597
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:44,340
us you could hide an army in New Mexico

598
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:47,490
very low population density and so they

599
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:49,140
go out they follow the rancher a big

600
00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:52,770
finest debris field three quarters of a

601
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:55,560
mile long a few hundred yards wide crazy

602
00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:57,450
stuff strewn out all over the place

603
00:27:02,150 --> 00:26:59,610
foil-like material mostly very

604
00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:02,160
lightweight very strong and what Jesse

605
00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:04,830
told me our first conversation was there

606
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:06,660
wasn't anything conventional out there

607
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,330
you expect vacuum tubes you expect wires

608
00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:12,720
you expect tag saying made in Oshkosh on

609
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:15,540
equipment you know airplane crashes

610
00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:17,850
produce a lot of junk and there wasn't

611
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:20,430
anything like that and Jesse figured

612
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,950
that it had to be a mid-air explosion

613
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:24,720
because covering such a large area and

614
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:26,740
there was no crater

615
00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:28,990
because when airplane goes in you make a

616
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:31,480
big hole in the ground mm-hmm so they

617
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:33,490
goes back like each take some other

618
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:35,350
wreckage still leaving most of it out

619
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:37,870
there go back to town late at night on

620
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:40,990
the 7th on the 8th at the big meeting in

621
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:44,140
the morning meeting at the base the base

622
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:46,330
commander gives two orders one is to the

623
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:50,170
press guy Walter out put out a press

624
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:51,970
release saying we picked up one of these

625
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:53,860
saucers that people have been saying and

626
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,470
the other ones to jesse marcel take some

627
00:28:01,049 --> 00:27:58,960
of this wreckage with you to

628
00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:01,059
wright-patterson Air Force Base that's

629
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:02,830
where captured equipment is supposed to

630
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:05,080
go and make a stop at our headquarters

631
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:08,650
aight airports in Fort Worth Texas so

632
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:12,450
naturally everybody follows orders and

633
00:28:16,830 --> 00:28:14,920
press release goes out about noon New

634
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:16,840
Mexico time which is too late for the

635
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:19,929
East Coast entirely but not too late for

636
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:23,530
evening papers from Chicago west and I

637
00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:26,140
found copies in Chicago Daily News in

638
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:28,600
the San Francisco paper and the salt

639
00:28:34,169 --> 00:28:31,530
lake tribune and Spokane Chronicle and

640
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,179
Los Angeles hurl examiner had the

641
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:37,360
original story and because of the time

642
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:40,720
difference had the cover-up general

643
00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:42,610
Roger Ramey head of the 8th Air Force at

644
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,550
port where it says just the radar

645
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:47,440
reflector weather balloon combination

646
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:49,900
which is an insult the intelligence of

647
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:51,940
all the guys in the 5 online but they

648
00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:55,120
couldn't recognize that is Austin now I

649
00:28:59,850 --> 00:28:57,700
should add some people said oh but they

650
00:29:02,850 --> 00:28:59,860
handed Blanchard his head for putting

651
00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:02,860
out that crazy press release he got four

652
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:04,929
more promotions after that and wound up

653
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:07,330
as a four-star general and vice chief of

654
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:09,190
staff for the United States Air Force

655
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:11,530
when he died of a massive heart attack

656
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:13,990
at the Pentagon in the mid 60s he was

657
00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:17,710
not punished early in july 1947 bill

658
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:19,030
went to the University of Minnesota

659
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:22,420
library periodicals department there was

660
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:24,910
a story confirming what Jesse it's

661
00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:27,510
giving us more names more information

662
00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:30,100
they spelled Walter house name four

663
00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:32,200
different ways when you pick up papers

664
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,990
but in the next year and a half we found

665
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:38,080
62 people connected with the event Wow

666
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:40,150
and it

667
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:41,830
that was the old fashioned way you know

668
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:43,810
telephone information and stuff of their

669
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,020
say no internet what I was lucky I'll

670
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:49,260
grant that I called the Roswell paper

671
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:53,140
once I found out they had one as for the

672
00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:55,870
editor from 1947 oh he's long gone what

673
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,580
do you need that's a long count this

674
00:30:01,860 --> 00:29:59,440
article here that says the base public

675
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:01,870
information officer Gannon Walter we've

676
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:03,430
before I could finish to such as all his

677
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:07,240
wife works here what conveniently you

678
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:09,490
don't expect the guy who was born in

679
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:12,010
Chicago as a matter of fact who was

680
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:15,670
based in roswell in 1947 to still be

681
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:18,730
there in 1978 but he was he had a base

682
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:21,550
yearbook was a tower of strength one of

683
00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:23,170
the founders of the international UFO

684
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:26,980
museum incidentally I a great guy and I

685
00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:30,070
talked a lot of people know Walter he

686
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:32,200
was also a bomba during the war more

687
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:35,490
than 20 missions dropping bombs on Japan

688
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:37,720
dropped the instrument package one of

689
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:40,330
those two nuclear weapons tests in 1946

690
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:42,250
you pick your best people to do that I

691
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,200
want to stress because weren't a bunch

692
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:45,520
of nuts they weren't a bunch of kooks

693
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:47,230
they were people who had something on

694
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:50,200
the ball no question right and the first

695
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:53,560
book came out in 1980 I got a percentage

696
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:57,340
of Bill Maurice royalties he worked with

697
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,990
charles berlitz whose name was magic

698
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:00,640
with publishers because of the perimeter

699
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:04,390
trial and we kept at it by 1985 we'd

700
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:08,110
found 92 people and the research is

701
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:09,640
going on of course most of the people

702
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:11,470
are dead but if you go to my website

703
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:15,030
tripled up I adopt Stanton Friedman calm

704
00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:17,560
one of the DVD sets listed his

705
00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:21,670
recollections of Roswell with firsthand

706
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:25,300
witnesses only 27 of them and almost all

707
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:28,450
of them are dead not quite a skin I mean

708
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,390
it's getting to be that time you know

709
00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:34,240
the human lifespan only last so long but

710
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:37,540
let me ask you where do the alien bodies

711
00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:39,580
come in you know where did you start to

712
00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:42,430
hear those reporting wait there wasn't

713
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:46,030
any talk about bodies back then in 47

714
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:50,070
but as I started to do the research I

715
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:52,630
was checking around who can we talk to

716
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:53,200
in

717
00:32:03,120 --> 00:31:58,480
of the people that was mentioned was

718
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,130
Glenn Dennis the Undertaker and he's the

719
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,519
one who first came up with the body's

720
00:32:13,769 --> 00:32:08,080
story and then we had other people tell

721
00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:13,779
us the same thing and he got a telephone

722
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,409
call from the base guy who handled

723
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:20,350
funerals and stuff like that asking

724
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:22,360
about how they could get small caskets

725
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:25,929
and he said well we've got a couple here

726
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:28,570
three footers four-footers you know like

727
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:30,820
four kids and we can get you more over

728
00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:33,370
in Amarillo take a day or two and so

729
00:32:37,889 --> 00:32:35,080
forth and what was there an accident

730
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,899
that you need my services no I'm just

731
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:39,039
wondering it what would you do to

732
00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:41,620
preserve bodies that were found out in

733
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:43,630
the desert gets awful hot down there

734
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:46,720
Glenn talked about dry ice and told them

735
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:48,130
where they could get it stuff like that

736
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:51,730
and when i talked to glenn at first he

737
00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:53,260
was reluctant to tell me much of

738
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:55,960
anything and then I i sent him a bunch

739
00:33:01,580 --> 00:32:58,960
of background material and so we know i

740
00:33:04,289 --> 00:33:01,590
wasn't a national enquirer early work

741
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:04,299
it's a come on up we'll talk about it I

742
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:06,940
was with another guy who knew Glenn

743
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:10,210
drove me up there and I Glenn tells me a

744
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:14,620
story about he dropped an airman off at

745
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,769
the base hospital i squirted a min be

746
00:33:23,009 --> 00:33:19,500
this may surprise some people but the

747
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:23,019
funeral service provided the ambulance

748
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:26,230
service thank you know I Hurston an

749
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:28,570
ambulance not much difference went down

750
00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:31,690
tonight splitting hairs it and he walked

751
00:33:38,009 --> 00:33:34,600
in to see a nurse he had some interest

752
00:33:39,389 --> 00:33:38,019
in and she saw him you know get out of

753
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:39,399
here they're gonna give me a hard time

754
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:42,460
you can't stay here and the guys there

755
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:45,250
gave him a hard time I don't you ever

756
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:47,529
say anything in town etc they escorted

757
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:50,200
him out the next day he met her for

758
00:33:57,539 --> 00:33:53,230
lunch at the officer's club she was a

759
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:57,549
lieutenant and she was drafted into

760
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,980
service by some doctors that were there

761
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:02,640
who were

762
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,170
that's the word I want I don't want to

763
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:07,260
say they weren't autopsying but they

764
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:09,990
were cutting up some bodies that were

765
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:12,770
there that stank to high heaven and

766
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:16,530
really got her very upset she drew a

767
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:18,510
picture for him their hands looked like

768
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:23,310
and so forth and I she pretty upset

769
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:24,810
about the whole thing and then when he

770
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:26,250
tried to get back to talk to her in a

771
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:28,770
couple of days she was gone she'd been

772
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:31,409
shipped out so since then we've heard

773
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:33,390
many other stories about bodies but

774
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:36,390
again always quietly in the background

775
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:40,590
and do you think Roswell is the the

776
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:44,179
closest we've ever come to a smoking gun

777
00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:48,300
well the aspect case was just as good

778
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:52,640
more bodies and more intact craft yeah

779
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:56,070
yeah yeahs and that that's why mention

780
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:00,240
that book Aztec incident it's listed on

781
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:03,030
the website and you also get the

782
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:05,480
multiple witness radar visual cases

783
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:08,730
which are very exciting when a plane in

784
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,000
the sky has a saucer fly around it

785
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:12,960
especially if it's a reconnaissance

786
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:16,440
bomber the plane and they're monitoring

787
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,230
with fancy equipment and a radio the

788
00:35:25,610 --> 00:35:22,140
ground and the ground radar military fix

789
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:25,620
them up and this object and the deciding

790
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:28,230
goes on for an hour multiple witness

791
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:30,210
read our visual was highly trained

792
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:33,090
people that's pretty exciting and then

793
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:35,400
Len well there was a case up in the

794
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:38,820
Yukon 31 witnesses you see this

795
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:42,120
monstrous craft and a civil engineer

796
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:45,140
named Martin jacek wrote a report on it

797
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:47,730
he was able to triangulate because there

798
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:49,530
were so many witnesses spread out over

799
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:52,380
quite an area on the ground and this

800
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:54,150
thing was between half a mile and a mile

801
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,000
long she yeah you know there was the

802
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:03,480
Japan Airlines case where the crew of

803
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:04,920
the plane which was heading toward

804
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,450
Fairbanks Alaska from Iceland this big

805
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:11,400
ole object twice the size of an aircraft

806
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,609
carrier they said circled around them

807
00:36:20,989 --> 00:36:17,400
they pick it up on the plane radar they

808
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:20,999
radio the ground the military radar

809
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:23,369
there they pick them up in the object

810
00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:25,950
they get permission to fly in a circle

811
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:28,279
and this thing station keeps whip them

812
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,930
at all this being recorded by the guys

813
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:33,599
on the ground now what do you do with

814
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:35,970
the case like that we cover it up as a

815
00:36:42,289 --> 00:36:39,930
matter of fact the FAA guy Callahan has

816
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:42,299
talked about he was told to grab all the

817
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,670
paper and all the radar screen

818
00:36:48,979 --> 00:36:47,099
information take it to a meeting in

819
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,989
Washington it was all taken from her and

820
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:51,359
that was the end of that hmm but you

821
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:53,190
know these are the guys were depending

822
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:56,700
on to monitor our skies and so forth you

823
00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:59,130
can't ignore their testimony right you

824
00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:00,950
gotta you gotta think they're credible

825
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:04,230
yeah and then there's the Ted Phillips

826
00:37:10,339 --> 00:37:07,710
of Missouri's collected well last time

827
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:10,349
record about 4,000 physical trace cases

828
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:12,839
from 80 countries where people see a

829
00:37:18,019 --> 00:37:15,450
craft on the ground and after it leaves

830
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,029
one finds physical changes and one-sixth

831
00:37:23,269 --> 00:37:20,460
of the guys 16 of the cases involving

832
00:37:25,729 --> 00:37:23,279
reports of little beings then of course

833
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:25,739
you got your abduction cases like the

834
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:29,369
Betty Barney Hill case incredible story

835
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:31,950
but the psychiatrist that was involved

836
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,410
involved doing the hypnosis was a

837
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:37,680
world-class expert dr. Benjamin silent

838
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:41,400
on Oh today we'd say PTSD post-traumatic

839
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:44,730
stress disorder you know hmm Betty and

840
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,339
Barney were each separately when under

841
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,200
hypnosis because there was a period of

842
00:37:57,289 --> 00:37:52,380
missing time he this is many sessions

843
00:38:00,289 --> 00:37:57,299
each separately and he is as in writing

844
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,299
said but the emotional intensity as they

845
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,119
relive the experience was as great as

846
00:38:07,759 --> 00:38:05,220
that of any of the war veterans that he

847
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,769
had worked with he ran at 3,000 bed

848
00:38:13,009 --> 00:38:09,900
hospital for shell shock War veterans

849
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,019
man so this is a guy who knows what he's

850
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:15,420
talking about and he had to stop one

851
00:38:20,779 --> 00:38:18,900
session each because he wasn't sure they

852
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:20,789
could handle it you know blood pressure

853
00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:24,119
going up heart rate going up terror pure

854
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:28,950
weren't copying anybody because nobody

855
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:31,360
reported in such a case before they can

856
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:32,710
you give us the details of that account

857
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:35,530
of that of that case what did they say

858
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:38,020
that they experienced well they were

859
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:39,970
driving home from Canada toward

860
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:42,370
Portsmouth New Hampshire late at night

861
00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:45,700
they spotted this object in the sky kind

862
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,320
of lonely country I've been up there as

863
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:48,480
a matter of fact they'll be a whole

864
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:52,480
anniversary celebration September 14 15

865
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:55,450
16 in New Hampshire Lincoln New

866
00:39:01,710 --> 00:38:59,500
Hampshire I and they spot this thing

867
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:01,720
flying in the sky and Betty watches and

868
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:04,540
describes it to Barney he's driving late

869
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:07,570
at night and oh no Betty there aren't

870
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,670
any flying saucers and it's probably a

871
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:12,400
Piper Cub well it's moving strangely

872
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,190
quite strangely it flew in front of the

873
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:18,400
moon I you know between them and the

874
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,650
moon and stuff like that and it flew

875
00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:22,480
near the old man of the mountain which

876
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:25,120
was a major monument up there it since

877
00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:27,810
fallen into the like button and it was

878
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:30,580
one and a half times the size of the

879
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:34,170
sort of sculpture which is 48 feet so

880
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:36,190
people are trying to identify this as

881
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:40,960
Jupiter Jupiter doesn't fly in front of

882
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:44,590
the moon nobody realizes that and it

883
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:47,890
certainly isn't 70 feet high you know as

884
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:50,500
you're watching a pattern there on the

885
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:55,210
planet I anyway they keep driving long

886
00:39:59,970 --> 00:39:57,640
going home and this thing comes up close

887
00:40:02,490 --> 00:39:59,980
to them less than 200 feet away Barney

888
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:02,500
gets out of the car with binoculars he's

889
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:03,910
looking at the same through the

890
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:05,590
binoculars through the windows of this

891
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:08,950
round craft up there he sees about a

892
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:11,110
10-man crew of sort of strange

893
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:13,930
characters and he suddenly gets very

894
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,400
frightened yes his back to the car tell

895
00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:20,280
Barney the government I capture us

896
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:23,860
drives off does something very strange

897
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:27,130
she turned from a major highway route 32

898
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:29,890
a secondary road to a tertiary eroded

899
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,480
dirt road out in the middle of nowhere

900
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:33,760
Barney would never have done that and

901
00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:35,980
they see beings in front of them on the

902
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:38,500
roads dark that's been a really good

903
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:40,750
start but

904
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:43,030
and they stopped the car and to make a

905
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:45,850
long story short we get taken on board

906
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:49,020
the craft examined in separate rooms I

907
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:51,550
stick a needle here scrape a little skin

908
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:53,740
there that sort of thing Betty had

909
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:55,540
grabbed but she called the book because

910
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:56,740
you didn't know what else to call it

911
00:41:00,660 --> 00:40:58,390
they wouldn't let her take that with

912
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:00,670
them and one of the interesting parts of

913
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:03,790
the story is Betty as many would ask

914
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:05,560
anybody anything she knew who she was a

915
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:07,060
social worker with the state of New

916
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:11,140
Hampshire family came over in the 1600

917
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:13,630
and Barney's was black but he was white

918
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:16,270
Barney's grandfather was a slave mixed

919
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:18,850
couple they had nothing to gain by going

920
00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:21,010
public and didn't intend to but somebody

921
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:23,340
betrayed a secret and so forth anyway

922
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:29,590
Betty ask them typical Betty where you

923
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:31,210
from I know you're not from around here

924
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:34,930
the understatement of the month it shows

925
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:36,700
you what I can call a three-dimensional

926
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:39,010
star map or model probably a hologram

927
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:41,230
points of light which ER stars different

928
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:43,120
kinds of lines between them which are

929
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:45,550
trade routes or occasional expeditions

930
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:49,270
and she's looking at this thing about 3

931
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:52,630
feet by 2 feet by 2 feet and she said

932
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:55,330
where are you on the map white sky alien

933
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:58,020
says you know where you are in a mess no

934
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:00,190
how can I tell you where I don't know

935
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:02,170
anything about astronomy she said well

936
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:03,460
how can I tell you where I'm from if you

937
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:04,930
don't know where you're at end of

938
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:07,390
discussion now dr. Simon who was

939
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:10,360
mystified by all his stuff he didn't

940
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:11,710
know much about police officers he

941
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:13,330
answer she can't remember what the map

942
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:16,540
look like and she says yes and she drew

943
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:19,000
it only if it could was to be drawn

944
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,890
accurately and it's in the book the

945
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:22,240
first book could interrupt a journey

946
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:25,050
back in the mid-60s by John gene fuller

947
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:31,390
anyway odd they get dropped off there

948
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:33,400
were some strange sounds on the trunk of

949
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:36,940
the car and they suddenly sort of wake

950
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:38,740
up they hadn't said anything for 30

951
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:41,110
miles trouble is they got home two hours

952
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:42,730
later than they should have gotten home

953
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:45,580
huh and their watches didn't work and

954
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,600
they're a whole bunch of other stuff

955
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:48,640
which which is in the book captured

956
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:51,190
which incidentally will be made into a

957
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:53,560
movie if we're lucky it's been optioned

958
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,950
oh nice and my book top secret magic has

959
00:43:04,440 --> 00:42:59,290
been option that's about the mouse just

960
00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:04,450
as well yeah I the two titles are magic

961
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:10,360
men ma jic and Betty and Barney I may be

962
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:13,120
lucky enough while I'm still alive that

963
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,540
movies made it to my book oh man I'm

964
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:18,960
what Richard Dreyfuss could play me now

965
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:24,520
kippen Dorf himself yeah but anyway the

966
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:26,410
story they were missing this two hour

967
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:27,910
period and it was a couple years later

968
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:31,060
before body was developing ulcers or

969
00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:33,730
other problems finally his doctor says I

970
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:35,620
can't do anything more for you Barney I

971
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:37,710
think you ought to see dr. Simon

972
00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:40,870
psychiatrist and Betty went to

973
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:43,240
separately I mean the separate sessions

974
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:46,990
and it was only under his very special

975
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:50,680
brand of hypnosis like I say he treated

976
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:52,780
thousands of War veterans you know your

977
00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:54,490
buddy's head gets blown off next to you

978
00:43:59,880 --> 00:43:57,100
it's a little hard to integrate that I

979
00:44:02,670 --> 00:43:59,890
can select so it was out of the hypnosis

980
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:02,680
sessions and the fact that a reporter

981
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:05,140
got hold of the story and without their

982
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:07,240
permission or approval and carried it

983
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:08,680
they thought they're gonna lose their

984
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:11,230
jobs Betty worked for the state of New

985
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:12,460
Hampshire boy weren't for the post

986
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:14,950
office very active in civil rights but

987
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:16,750
the last thing they needed you know was

988
00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:20,740
a story like this young and surprisingly

989
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:23,820
the story was very well received and

990
00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:27,000
then a book that made John fuller

991
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:31,660
outstanding reporter wrote a book he

992
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:34,030
also wrote a book into their an incident

993
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:37,000
at Exeter about some events over there

994
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:40,060
and the story got it was a best-seller

995
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:43,870
in many countries I and it set the pace

996
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:46,570
for abduction research and the things i

997
00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:48,790
met betty and barney and betty many

998
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:51,400
times party died like four months after

999
00:45:01,050 --> 00:44:56,170
i met them and she only died five years

1000
00:45:04,290 --> 00:45:01,060
ago I guess and fortunately the kathy

1001
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:04,300
martin Betty's nice did most of the work

1002
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:07,330
on the book i has all the

1003
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:10,120
the audio tapes the hypnosis sessions

1004
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:14,110
and stuff like that they're scary that

1005
00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:16,660
means his powerful emotion involvement

1006
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,120
case and the thing is that there were

1007
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,040
there was physical evidence as well as

1008
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:22,960
described in the book Barney shoes were

1009
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:25,210
all scuffed he was an immaculate dresser

1010
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:27,220
could never wear the shoes except for

1011
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:30,220
gardening after that Betty's dress was

1012
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,890
torn in a couple places a new dress and

1013
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:34,720
there was some crazy pink stuff on the

1014
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:37,480
on the dress it's been analyzing very

1015
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:40,210
strange so it's the chemist really much

1016
00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:43,240
but yeah he does evidence that's crazy

1017
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:46,060
you know it is evidence of course it was

1018
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:48,070
not the next day kind of thing cuz they

1019
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:50,500
didn't know what had happened but so

1020
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:53,530
that that story is a good solid story

1021
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:57,540
and you know the aliens were humanoid

1022
00:46:01,320 --> 00:45:59,530
you'd have recognized they weren't from

1023
00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:01,330
around here and like I walking down the

1024
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:02,980
street in New York which you know who

1025
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:05,560
knows what we're gonna I assume the

1026
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:10,000
communication was telepathic well yes uh

1027
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:12,280
they made strange noises amongst

1028
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,950
themselves but by and large telepathic

1029
00:46:19,770 --> 00:46:17,440
and man you know some people don't want

1030
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:19,780
to accept that and some people don't

1031
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:21,580
want to accept all kinds of stuff that's

1032
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:24,100
true but I know how to do that so it

1033
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:25,690
can't be real is kind of the added that

1034
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:28,090
that led to the book science was wrong

1035
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:31,900
incidentally I by Kathleen Martin and

1036
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:34,360
myself because in so many areas of

1037
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:37,480
science are 14 chapters and each one

1038
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:39,970
dealing with an example of important

1039
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:41,830
scientists saying stupid things which

1040
00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:44,950
delayed progress for a long time you

1041
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:47,620
know a great astronomer in 1903 October

1042
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:50,380
saying it's eminently clear that man

1043
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:52,660
will never fly any distance in any kind

1044
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,430
of a vehicle two months before the

1045
00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:56,560
Wright brothers first flight the

1046
00:47:01,110 --> 00:46:58,900
astronomer royal saying a year before

1047
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:01,120
Sputnik that space travel is utter

1048
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:03,880
nonsense what would be the use of it

1049
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:07,650
nobody would spend the money oh well and

1050
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:10,810
medical stuff where people said

1051
00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:14,980
impossible I'd like Billy Mitchell who

1052
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:17,560
was a an American pilot during the First

1053
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:20,200
World War and after the war was saying

1054
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:20,640
that

1055
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:22,430
the airplane is going to revolutionize

1056
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:25,410
warfare will be sinking ships from the

1057
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:28,230
air and boy the Secretary of the Navy

1058
00:47:35,299 --> 00:47:32,010
got very upset like Korra and Billy got

1059
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:35,309
court-martialed for insubordination for

1060
00:47:43,930 --> 00:47:39,839
saying and the epitome of why this is a

1061
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:43,940
problem these attitudes on November 29

1062
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:48,180
in 1941 the army-navy game was played

1063
00:47:54,049 --> 00:47:50,700
and in the program was a picture of the

1064
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:54,059
USS Arizona this huge battleship in a

1065
00:47:59,599 --> 00:47:55,950
statement that nobody had ever sunk a

1066
00:48:04,059 --> 00:47:59,609
battleship from the air eight days later

1067
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:04,069
was Pearl Harbor in the u.s. SFO sunk

1068
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,579
1,100 guys on 49 yeah people love to say

1069
00:48:11,779 --> 00:48:10,440
things are impossible right up until the

1070
00:48:14,299 --> 00:48:11,789
moment they happen i don't know what

1071
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:14,309
what that tendency is i don't know why

1072
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:16,470
but it's certainly true and you got to

1073
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:19,619
be very careful i supposes i'm so smart

1074
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:21,630
if this were true I would know about it

1075
00:48:27,769 --> 00:48:24,599
i don't so it must not be as it is some

1076
00:48:31,549 --> 00:48:27,779
kind of a nut I mean you know you run

1077
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:31,559
across it let me ask you um how far do

1078
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:33,690
you think the government's knowledge of

1079
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:36,420
extraterrestrials goes now do you buy

1080
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:38,190
into any of the theories that there's

1081
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,160
been official contact or do you think

1082
00:48:44,539 --> 00:48:43,140
it's just recovered craft and we're

1083
00:48:48,019 --> 00:48:44,549
still trying to study it and we really

1084
00:48:51,529 --> 00:48:48,029
don't know what it is well I I think

1085
00:48:55,089 --> 00:48:51,539
probably there has been context there

1086
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:55,099
are two stories about General Eisenhower

1087
00:49:05,210 --> 00:48:58,980
as there are sure does there's a guy

1088
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,220
reporting now art Campbell I he talked

1089
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:07,500
two crew members of the president's

1090
00:49:13,009 --> 00:49:10,170
airplane when Ike was supposedly in

1091
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,019
georgia atlanta playing golf you know i

1092
00:49:18,859 --> 00:49:15,599
like i like to play golf in its great

1093
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:18,869
cover you'll understand and the plane

1094
00:49:24,859 --> 00:49:20,970
went in secret to alamogordo new mexico

1095
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,869
Holloman Air Force Base and down the

1096
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:26,700
other end of the field was a saucer on

1097
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:28,680
the ground and supposedly hike meant

1098
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,859
with the guys now arts done an awful lot

1099
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:34,140
of work he was a schoolteacher and he

1100
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:34,710
found other

1101
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,380
he was on the right track and there's

1102
00:49:46,310 --> 00:49:41,760
another story about Edwards Air Force

1103
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:46,320
Base where the newsmen again Ike was

1104
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,710
playing golf on in Palm Springs and

1105
00:49:52,579 --> 00:49:50,880
suddenly the newsmen realized they

1106
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:52,589
hadn't seen him for a while and I guess

1107
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:54,450
the press secretary oh I'll check for

1108
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,270
you no problem he gets back to them well

1109
00:50:02,320 --> 00:49:59,220
he was embarrassed I could been at the

1110
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,330
dentist she's under anaesthetic and

1111
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:04,380
didn't want to say anything about that

1112
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:06,300
somebody might choose to attack at that

1113
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,790
time mm-hmm but everything's okay well

1114
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,280
bill warm my colleague who with whom I

1115
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,560
worked on the Roswell case did some

1116
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:15,720
checking many years later he found the

1117
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:17,849
wife of the dentist the dentist was dead

1118
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:20,550
she had no recollection of her husband

1119
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,290
treating the president that would seem a

1120
00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:24,960
little strange that's crazy what do you

1121
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:27,869
think I mean if those interactions

1122
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:29,730
really did happen what do you think they

1123
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:30,900
were talking about what do you think

1124
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:32,609
they looked like because I've heard that

1125
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,130
they were making a deal for technology

1126
00:50:38,780 --> 00:50:36,720
to and then also the government was

1127
00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:38,790
allowing me extraterrestrials to abduct

1128
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:40,320
a certain amount of people of course

1129
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,690
this is wild speculation but I mean I'm

1130
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:44,720
sure you've heard some of these stories

1131
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,140
well sure I have and the thing that gets

1132
00:50:55,070 --> 00:50:51,180
to me is the fact that i mentioned early

1133
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:55,080
on that we haven't exploded any nuclear

1134
00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:57,330
weapons in warfare even though there's

1135
00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:00,869
been a bunch wars and the guy named

1136
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:04,470
Robert Hastings and another one named

1137
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:07,050
Robert Salas SI la s who have talked

1138
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:11,190
about nukes and UFOs it appears that the

1139
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,930
aliens have a strong interest in

1140
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:14,940
nuclear-tipped missiles and things like

1141
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:20,190
that and it maybe they don't want to see

1142
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:21,750
the place destroy you know maybe they've

1143
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:23,570
been stealing goodies here for a lot

1144
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:28,619
yeah what a mining it could be that you

1145
00:51:33,859 --> 00:51:32,190
know this is a penal colony they dumped

1146
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,869
all the bad boys and girls here and

1147
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:35,520
that's why were so nasty to each other

1148
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:38,430
you know the Australians are very proud

1149
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:41,790
of their convict say yeah we're just a

1150
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:45,930
cosmic Australia could be so they may

1151
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:47,790
there may have been communication about

1152
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:48,610
what the rules

1153
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:50,620
the neighborhood are I don't know

1154
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:52,750
obviously I'm not privy to any of that

1155
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:54,460
people with what is it what the sauce

1156
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:56,350
was made at it nobody sends me

1157
00:52:00,780 --> 00:51:58,030
classified reports I don't know what

1158
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:00,790
clearance rate to know you know I'm

1159
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:04,870
sorry if people think some people think

1160
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:07,240
the city people think governments can't

1161
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:09,730
keep secrets one of the silliest lines

1162
00:52:15,150 --> 00:52:13,170
i've ever heard a dr. Neil deGrasse

1163
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:15,160
Tyson who's head of the Hayden

1164
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,250
Planetarium in one set it as talk at

1165
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:20,830
Penn State University that the prophetic

1166
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:23,710
events can't keep secrets is look how

1167
00:52:30,090 --> 00:52:25,570
much we know about President Clinton's

1168
00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:30,100
genitalia Oh on that yeah but it was a

1169
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:32,320
media sideshow you know to distract from

1170
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:33,910
real issues that's why they focus on

1171
00:52:40,650 --> 00:52:37,450
that seth shostack of the SETI Institute

1172
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:40,660
is also said it well look how bad a job

1173
00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:44,230
FEMA did with Katrina what's that got to

1174
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:47,350
do with the NRO the CIA the DIA the NSA

1175
00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:49,630
almost alphabet soup agencies Hank they

1176
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:52,060
don't want to keep secrets none FEMA and

1177
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:54,850
he said oh look how badly better job

1178
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:56,710
they do with the post office what I got

1179
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:00,160
to do with Nationals right Stan do you

1180
00:53:06,030 --> 00:53:02,170
think we're ever going to see public

1181
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:06,040
disclosure I don't know I frankly I

1182
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:09,190
believe that if any media group had a

1183
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:12,250
Woodward and Bernstein could put their

1184
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:14,860
noses to find out what went on with this

1185
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:16,870
cosmic Watergate I think they could do

1186
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:21,340
it in a very short time six months the

1187
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:23,590
documents are there that NSA has

1188
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:29,110
released a 156 formerly top secret umbra

1189
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:31,570
UFO documents on which you can read one

1190
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,670
sentence per page the rest is white

1191
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:36,640
adapt this is the earlier old documents

1192
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:40,990
and the CIA has withheld 50 some

1193
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:44,530
top-secret umbra blacked out documents

1194
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:46,330
you can read five or six words per page

1195
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,270
you know and we also have a statement

1196
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:51,760
from a general air force general Caroll

1197
00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:55,690
bolander eole nder he was tasked with

1198
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:57,310
the job of figuring out what we should

1199
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,970
do with Project Blue Book it's in 1969

1200
00:54:04,259 --> 00:54:02,319
after the condom report

1201
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,269
came out he had no previous connection

1202
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:05,440
with and he worked on the lunar

1203
00:54:12,479 --> 00:54:07,630
excursion module a good sharp engineer

1204
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,489
incidentally and he came at it open and

1205
00:54:18,809 --> 00:54:14,559
clear and he recommended that Blue Book

1206
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:18,819
be closed but he noted reports of ufos

1207
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:21,249
which could affect national security are

1208
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:24,369
made in accordance with jay nap join

1209
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:27,190
army navy air force publication 146 or

1210
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:31,049
air force manual 55 Dec 11 and are not

1211
00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:35,650
part of the Blue Book system those are

1212
00:54:41,729 --> 00:54:38,380
probably the most interesting cases well

1213
00:54:43,529 --> 00:54:41,739
yeah and he to Paris later he says if we

1214
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:43,539
close Project Blue Book the public won't

1215
00:54:47,999 --> 00:54:45,400
have a place to report UFO sightings

1216
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,009
however as previously noted reports

1217
00:54:52,829 --> 00:54:50,079
which could affect national security

1218
00:54:54,509 --> 00:54:52,839
will continue to be investigated using

1219
00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:54,519
the procedures established for that

1220
00:54:59,309 --> 00:54:57,369
purpose nobody's ever been told that

1221
00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,319
because we've always been told blue book

1222
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:01,690
was it folks when we close blue book we

1223
00:55:06,259 --> 00:55:03,160
weren't doing anything well I found

1224
00:55:08,839 --> 00:55:06,269
general Bolander he's not alive now but

1225
00:55:10,829 --> 00:55:08,849
had a conversation with them and

1226
00:55:12,359 --> 00:55:10,839
indicated Jean sounds like you're saying

1227
00:55:15,749 --> 00:55:12,369
there were two separate reporting

1228
00:55:17,219 --> 00:55:15,759
systems he said there were you know if a

1229
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,229
saucer goes down the runway at a

1230
00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:18,880
strategic air command base where nuclear

1231
00:55:23,849 --> 00:55:20,619
weapons are stored that's a national

1232
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,859
security problem if my wife and I go out

1233
00:55:27,689 --> 00:55:25,839
of the driveway and look up and see a

1234
00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:27,699
saucer flying by what's the big deal

1235
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:31,660
happens all the time you know so I know

1236
00:55:37,439 --> 00:55:34,930
major group has ever pointed out that

1237
00:55:39,749 --> 00:55:37,449
this was what was said by a general who

1238
00:55:43,799 --> 00:55:39,759
was charged with you know finding out

1239
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:43,809
what's going on I we've been being lied

1240
00:55:50,489 --> 00:55:48,180
to persistently up to Roswell reports

1241
00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:50,499
once about a thousand pages the other

1242
00:55:54,689 --> 00:55:53,140
ones a little under three hundred a full

1243
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:54,699
of baloney I mean you can start a

1244
00:56:02,099 --> 00:55:59,410
delicatessen Alyssa you know the the

1245
00:56:07,229 --> 00:56:02,109
notion what my favorite explanation is

1246
00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:07,239
really crash test dummies for Roswell I

1247
00:56:14,009 --> 00:56:09,579
found the guy whose picture is in the

1248
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:14,019
airport report the Roswell report case

1249
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,220
closed is the one

1250
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:18,880
the dummies they think we're dummies the

1251
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:21,310
man who was in charge of the crash test

1252
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:24,010
dummy program the airplanes are flying

1253
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:26,290
higher and farther and getting a pilot

1254
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:27,369
out of there if something goes wrong

1255
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:29,970
with the plane is a problem and so

1256
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:32,170
ejection seats and all that stuff and

1257
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:33,609
you don't want to put pilots in there

1258
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:36,010
until you make sure the things work and

1259
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:38,530
he pointed out to me to thing I met with

1260
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,650
him in person in El occurred he's

1261
00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:45,119
deceased now too he pointed out what the

1262
00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:51,820
dummies were six feet tall 175 pounds

1263
00:56:57,780 --> 00:56:55,720
and they were in uniform the uniform is

1264
00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:57,790
because a pilot would be in uniform and

1265
00:57:01,440 --> 00:56:59,260
that would affect the drag and how

1266
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:01,450
quickly the parachute would open and the

1267
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:03,160
temperature cause its spring gold up

1268
00:57:10,830 --> 00:57:07,359
there at 40,000 feet etc and how do you

1269
00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:10,840
convert a 6 feet tall 175 pound dummy

1270
00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:13,150
into a little four and a half foot tall

1271
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:16,540
guy with a big hit fair point I can't

1272
00:57:20,849 --> 00:57:18,760
believe any Rancher out in the desert

1273
00:57:23,339 --> 00:57:20,859
they're spotting one of the dummies

1274
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:23,349
would have said oh my god an alien

1275
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,080
invasion make sense at all right and

1276
00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:29,920
incidentally there was another little

1277
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:31,660
problem none were dropped until six

1278
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:34,270
years after Roswell yeah that would be a

1279
00:57:41,310 --> 00:57:37,630
problem with that explanation I travel

1280
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:41,320
for crash test dummies let me ask you

1281
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:43,180
another question you know lately the UFO

1282
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:46,720
community I see a lot more people like

1283
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,089
my last guest Nick Redfern suggesting

1284
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:52,000
that these things may be more paranormal

1285
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:54,310
or multi-dimensional or even spiritual

1286
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,470
rather than like physical metal crafts

1287
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,480
from outer space do you entertain any

1288
00:58:04,050 --> 00:57:59,680
similar ideas or do you think they're

1289
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:04,060
all physical crafts well I would draw a

1290
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:06,670
compromise there it would amaze me of an

1291
00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:08,609
advanced technological civilization

1292
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:12,580
wasn't able to use telepathy and know

1293
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:15,369
about reincarnation and be able to do

1294
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:17,170
crazy things like go through walls

1295
00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:20,650
without cracking the walls uh you know

1296
00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:23,470
by advanced technology by definition is

1297
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:26,260
Arthur Clarke once that is magic yeah

1298
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:29,490
not mtj I see

1299
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:33,790
so I would expect that they are going to

1300
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:35,710
know things we don't know my mantra is

1301
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:37,870
the technological progress comes from

1302
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:40,810
doing things differently in an

1303
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:44,470
unpredictable way so I would be

1304
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:47,020
astonished if a truly advanced

1305
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:51,220
civilization able to get here I wasn't

1306
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,000
I can't say there won't be time travel I

1307
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,720
don't know how to do it fourth

1308
00:59:04,570 --> 00:59:02,400
dimensional space-time working but I

1309
00:59:06,830 --> 00:59:04,580
think the problem is that our

1310
00:59:09,590 --> 00:59:06,840
contemporary people are unwilling to

1311
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,600
open up their minds to the fact that my

1312
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,040
goodness there could be beings out there

1313
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:12,720
that are a billion years ahead of us

1314
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:16,230
mm-hmm and boy do we feel stupid so

1315
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:19,050
which is a natural feeling I guess

1316
00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:22,470
remember we're right at the center of a

1317
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:24,420
change in our attitude about where we

1318
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:26,580
fit in the scheme of things mm-hmm first

1319
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:28,740
there was told me who said the earth was

1320
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:31,380
the center of the universe all you got

1321
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:32,970
to do is look at you see the moon and

1322
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,740
the Sun go around the earth and so do

1323
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:36,720
the stars go outside some night you see

1324
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:39,480
they go around us and Copernicus came

1325
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,630
along and 1543 the same year he died he

1326
00:59:47,330 --> 00:59:44,280
had a book published in which he said

1327
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:47,340
that sorry the earth and the other

1328
00:59:54,830 --> 00:59:51,450
planets go around the Sun and the church

1329
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:54,840
band that book for 300 years because it

1330
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:56,250
took man out of the center of the

1331
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,920
universe but we still consoled ourselves

1332
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,240
as well there aren't any other planets

1333
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:02,640
out there so we're probably it folks ah

1334
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:06,330
we're the kings of the universe well now

1335
01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:09,950
we've got Kepler up there oh my goodness

1336
01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:12,540
we now think that a reasonable number

1337
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:15,360
for the number of planets in our galaxy

1338
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:18,270
just the Milky Way is that may be 10

1339
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:23,130
billion the SETI guys think that a few

1340
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:24,510
years ago Frank Drake was saying oh

1341
01:00:28,930 --> 01:00:26,580
there might be as many as 10,000 places

1342
01:00:31,850 --> 01:00:28,940
in the galaxy that could send signals

1343
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:31,860
well 10 billion is a little bit more

1344
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,450
than 10,000 right and so suddenly we

1345
01:00:42,020 --> 01:00:38,880
recognize that the earth was not created

1346
01:00:43,850 --> 01:00:42,030
in 4,000 4 BC and some people would have

1347
01:00:48,220 --> 01:00:43,860
us believe was more like four billion in

1348
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:48,230
for Kirby our status in other words

1349
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:52,020
we're not at the top of the heap we

1350
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,670
haven't qualified for kindergarten

1351
01:01:01,740 --> 01:00:57,520
and that that makes some people three

1352
01:01:03,570 --> 01:01:01,750
upset but look Pat Robertson has loudly

1353
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:03,580
and clearly said we are the only

1354
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:05,710
intelligent life in the universe right

1355
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,990
all that you have had Robins the work of

1356
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:09,520
the devil he's done it he's the

1357
01:01:16,790 --> 01:01:12,850
authority he's done his research oh yes

1358
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:16,800
yes yes research by Proclamation yeah

1359
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:20,170
you know so we're dealing with some

1360
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:24,130
troubling questions and also if there's

1361
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:25,690
somebody coming here from someplace else

1362
01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:27,250
they have maybe figured out how to get

1363
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:29,860
along with their neighbors we don't seem

1364
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:34,770
to do right clearly a problem for us I

1365
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:37,600
and people say why don't they talk to us

1366
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:40,030
in my off hand silly comment is I don't

1367
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:41,250
talk to the squirrels in my backyard

1368
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:43,720
yeah exactly you don't stop on the

1369
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:45,610
highway to check out what an ant hills

1370
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:49,260
doing that's that's make sense to me

1371
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:51,610
Stan let me ask you another question I

1372
01:01:54,810 --> 01:01:53,230
mean this is completely unrelated but I

1373
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:54,820
just don't know the next time that I'm

1374
01:02:00,480 --> 01:01:57,540
going to speak to a nuclear physicist oh

1375
01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:00,490
you know there's a lot of conspiracy

1376
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:02,800
talk about a cover-up in regards to how

1377
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:04,690
much damage the Fukushima disaster

1378
01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:07,450
really caused I mean from what from your

1379
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:08,860
knowledge do you think there's really

1380
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:10,870
any real concerns of radiation reaching

1381
01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:12,730
the west coast of North America or is it

1382
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:14,080
just a bunch of fear-mongering because

1383
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:15,400
you know it seems like they're hiding

1384
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:19,150
data in some sense there's no question

1385
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:21,510
that the Japanese authorities had been

1386
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:24,250
somewhat negligent and how they handle

1387
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:27,610
things let me put it that way there's

1388
01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:29,370
also no question that there will be some

1389
01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:32,380
radiation some particles with radiation

1390
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:36,040
on them reach the west coast just as we

1391
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:37,810
had plenty of stuff from nuclear fallout

1392
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:40,150
when we tested nuclear weapons mm-hmm

1393
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:42,310
you could buy milk in Rochester New York

1394
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:45,010
that hadn't written measurable radiation

1395
01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:50,230
geez now the kicker here is that man

1396
01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:52,600
developed as a species and a planet that

1397
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:54,840
was even more radioactive than it is now

1398
01:02:58,830 --> 01:02:57,460
when most of us forget that we're if you

1399
01:03:00,330 --> 01:02:58,840
sleep in the same bed with somebody for

1400
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:00,340
a year you get a measurable dose of

1401
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:02,950
radiation mm-hmm our measuring

1402
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:05,670
techniques are very sensitive and so

1403
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:08,260
there's even a lot of work that show

1404
01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:12,160
was that a small amount of radiation is

1405
01:03:18,930 --> 01:03:15,820
beneficial this is called hormesis you

1406
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:18,940
know to ask for no cure your headache 30

1407
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:21,310
would probably kill you someplace in

1408
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:25,030
between is an appropriate an optimum

1409
01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:28,780
level so I've worked around radiation

1410
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:31,390
and you develop a healthy respect for it

1411
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:33,970
but you also recognize well there's a

1412
01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:36,790
classic case and in Taiwan two buildings

1413
01:03:40,260 --> 01:03:38,230
built at about the same time the

1414
01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:40,270
apartment buildings one unfortunately

1415
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:42,790
the steel somehow I've been contaminated

1416
01:03:48,810 --> 01:03:45,970
by some Cobalt radioactive cobalt-60 was

1417
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:48,820
mixed in the mess and it was years

1418
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,510
before they found this out and so then

1419
01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:54,400
they did some checking as to the medical

1420
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:55,660
status of the people who've been in

1421
01:04:01,410 --> 01:03:57,250
these two buildings or it close to each

1422
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:01,420
other but separate turns out the people

1423
01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:02,800
who were in the building that had

1424
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:06,460
radioactive steel were healthier but

1425
01:04:11,090 --> 01:04:08,620
people were in the other building and

1426
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:11,100
there been experiments done with the

1427
01:04:14,790 --> 01:04:13,300
multiplication of bacteria and stuff

1428
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:14,800
where you put in shielding so you cut

1429
01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:17,110
back the radiation levels and the growth

1430
01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:19,470
rate is less when there was no radiation

1431
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:21,820
seems to maybe affect the immune system

1432
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:25,330
who knows so I don't doubt but some of

1433
01:04:30,110 --> 01:04:26,740
the material coming to the coast of

1434
01:04:33,030 --> 01:04:30,120
North America it's got a measurable

1435
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,040
there's a good instruments level of

1436
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:35,680
radioactivity in terms of it being a

1437
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:37,390
major threats or the well-being of the

1438
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:39,700
people on the west coast I don't think

1439
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:43,360
so they're all right what yeah I'm not

1440
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:44,680
running around up and down the beach

1441
01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:47,290
misery all right yeah I mean I did I did

1442
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:49,000
want to ask you that because it's so

1443
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:50,830
hard to get a straight answer be it on

1444
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:53,170
this or UFOs or yeah you know on

1445
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:54,910
anything as the government lies to us so

1446
01:04:59,310 --> 01:04:56,800
much but you know fellas it's getting to

1447
01:05:00,720 --> 01:04:59,320
be that time um Kyle I mean was there

1448
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:00,730
anything you want to ask that we didn't

1449
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:03,750
tackle I just wanted to say but the

1450
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:06,730
cosmic Watergate that there's seemingly

1451
01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:09,910
harmless information that is out there

1452
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:14,800
and it is known such as nuclear fusion

1453
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:18,610
is a reality and there's devices I just

1454
01:05:22,089 --> 01:05:19,930
don't understand why we're still using

1455
01:05:25,509 --> 01:05:22,099
coal and I feel like

1456
01:05:27,279 --> 01:05:25,519
there must be some correlation there

1457
01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:27,289
some connection here between people

1458
01:05:31,989 --> 01:05:28,940
withholding this information on a

1459
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:31,999
need-to-know basis and the rest of

1460
01:05:36,609 --> 01:05:34,940
humanity who doesn't need to know they

1461
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:36,619
still have to burn coal they select to

1462
01:05:41,009 --> 01:05:38,930
pay for their energy and aren't we isn't

1463
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:41,019
it factual that were past this point

1464
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:43,430
technologically and we just aren't being

1465
01:05:47,890 --> 01:05:46,670
honest with the public well it's true

1466
01:05:49,539 --> 01:05:47,900
that they're not being honest with the

1467
01:05:52,779 --> 01:05:49,549
public there's no question about that

1468
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:52,789
this is not the only thing like that in

1469
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,859
flying saucers in science i have a whole

1470
01:06:00,400 --> 01:05:57,440
chapter on examples of big programs that

1471
01:06:01,989 --> 01:06:00,410
were covered up well the NRO National

1472
01:06:04,269 --> 01:06:01,999
Reconnaissance Office which is one of

1473
01:06:07,539 --> 01:06:04,279
the biggest of the black budget agencies

1474
01:06:09,069 --> 01:06:07,549
they admitted very quietly was a little

1475
01:06:11,769 --> 01:06:09,079
blurb in the paper they'd cancel the

1476
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:11,779
program with Boeing to improve the

1477
01:06:17,469 --> 01:06:14,089
architecture of the big satellites at

1478
01:06:18,969 --> 01:06:17,479
the NRO uses something cost half a

1479
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:18,979
billion dollars i mean these are not

1480
01:06:26,019 --> 01:06:21,680
little toys and they had already spent

1481
01:06:27,819 --> 01:06:26,029
13 billion dollars at boeing ought to

1482
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:27,829
try to improve the architecture and

1483
01:06:34,989 --> 01:06:31,160
hadn't been successful 13 pointed a lot

1484
01:06:37,299 --> 01:06:34,999
of money yeah you know and they're not

1485
01:06:39,789 --> 01:06:37,309
the only agency well our first

1486
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:39,799
successful spy satellite the corona spy

1487
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:44,569
sent way back in the early 60s got more

1488
01:06:48,849 --> 01:06:47,390
data on soviet military establishments

1489
01:06:51,309 --> 01:06:48,859
than all the youtube flights that

1490
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,319
preceded it there wasn't one word in

1491
01:06:55,660 --> 01:06:53,359
public for more than 20 years about the

1492
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:55,670
corona I mean Russian certainly knew we

1493
01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:58,130
were flying them apart but the American

1494
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,710
people weren't told that so there are a

1495
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:02,960
lot of examples of that and that's why I

1496
01:07:07,569 --> 01:07:05,450
say I want a Woodward Bernstein I don't

1497
01:07:09,279 --> 01:07:07,579
want all technical data out on the table

1498
01:07:11,859 --> 01:07:09,289
I think there was a legitimate national

1499
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:11,869
security concern unless the Russians and

1500
01:07:16,479 --> 01:07:13,249
the Chinese and everybody else puts

1501
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:16,489
their technical data out on the table on

1502
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,200
the other hand I think we should be told

1503
01:07:23,499 --> 01:07:21,200
the planets being visited and maybe

1504
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:23,509
refresh our memory about how we must

1505
01:07:29,229 --> 01:07:26,450
look to the advanced beings coming here

1506
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:29,239
and it's time that if you make such an

1507
01:07:34,839 --> 01:07:30,890
announcement maybe the Queen in the Pope

1508
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:34,849
together how's that for not at least you

1509
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,030
could say they're going to be in

1510
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:39,680
national conferences about the economic

1511
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:44,730
psychological religious you know impact

1512
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:48,210
of the fact that we're not alone it's

1513
01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:51,930
it's a ball game changer you know and I

1514
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:53,580
would like to see that happen while I'm

1515
01:08:01,160 --> 01:07:59,700
still alive you yes I would Stan you

1516
01:08:03,020 --> 01:08:01,170
know I stand in awe of your

1517
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:03,030
accomplishments and your dedicated

1518
01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:04,890
research I'm honored just to share a bit

1519
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:06,840
of your time you know I know all your

1520
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:08,580
books and DVDs are available on your

1521
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:10,680
website Stanton Friedman not come tell

1522
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:12,420
the people a little bit about what's

1523
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:13,530
available there I mean we talked about

1524
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:15,990
the books in terms of DVDs what you got

1525
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:19,890
oh yeah the books are captured the Betty

1526
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:22,770
and Barney Hill UFO experience science

1527
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:26,190
was wrong both of those are by Kathleen

1528
01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:29,010
Martin and myself my book flying saucers

1529
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:31,620
in science which lists the important

1530
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:33,150
source of information I answers the

1531
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:35,190
question can you get here from there yes

1532
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:38,100
and why the cover-up and all those other

1533
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:40,940
things there's my book top secret magic

1534
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:44,850
about the majestic 12 documents of which

1535
01:08:48,020 --> 01:08:46,710
more than a hundred I think three are

1536
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:48,030
genuine and the most important

1537
01:08:53,660 --> 01:08:49,680
classified documents leaked to the

1538
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:53,670
public as my book crash at Corona here

1539
01:08:59,480 --> 01:08:56,910
we go again with corona the inside story

1540
01:09:05,240 --> 01:08:59,490
the roswell incident that goes way back

1541
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:05,250
to the 90s and there's a book with

1542
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:07,710
aliens and ufos which i have two

1543
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,230
chapters in it Kathleen as one and the

1544
01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:12,960
dvds include recollections of Roswell

1545
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:16,020
firsthand testimony from 27 firsthand

1546
01:09:25,220 --> 01:09:22,319
witnesses there's the my book my DVD

1547
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,230
UFOs are real and there's flying saucers

1548
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:28,080
are real and there's do you believe in

1549
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:31,650
magic Maj and I say in this case and

1550
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:34,920
there's a debate our flying saucers real

1551
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:36,930
between me and James McGaha and Air

1552
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:38,970
Force former Air Force pilot who says

1553
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:41,880
ain't nothing a flying saucers and we

1554
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:45,700
had a formal debate in Tennessee

1555
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:48,700
Tennessee State and you can decide for

1556
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:51,910
yourself for one there's also copies of

1557
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:54,370
some hard to get documents like Project

1558
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:56,410
Blue Book special report 14 biggest

1559
01:10:00,570 --> 01:09:58,030
study ever done for the Air Force I

1560
01:10:04,050 --> 01:10:00,580
never mentioned by the noisy negative

1561
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:04,060
assistive crackers and I and you know

1562
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,940
and there's this book Aztec yes for

1563
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:08,320
which I wrote the forwards on some

1564
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:11,350
copies one thing you by buying your

1565
01:10:16,730 --> 01:10:13,090
books for me you get signatures you get

1566
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:16,740
autographs I'm sort of done line yes

1567
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:18,910
amazon is a fine place to do business

1568
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:21,070
but they don't have my autograph sitting

1569
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:25,210
around oh you know that it'll keep you

1570
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:26,860
busy for a while if you're interested

1571
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:28,840
sure yeah I mean I encourage everyone to

1572
01:10:32,970 --> 01:10:30,970
check them out those books I mean I know

1573
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:32,980
me and Kyle we just read flying saucers

1574
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:35,260
and science a really good book you know

1575
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:37,330
it really breaks down the data that's

1576
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:40,210
there that you know is overwhelming that

1577
01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:42,100
there's clearly live being told it's

1578
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:44,020
just it sucks that the problem is to

1579
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:46,150
what degree because you know you let

1580
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:48,490
crazies run wild and you got people on

1581
01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:49,990
the disclosure project saying that

1582
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:51,790
they've found 57 different races and

1583
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:53,530
they call them the Heinz 57 and you're

1584
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,290
like why are you the only guy who knows

1585
01:11:02,700 --> 01:10:59,760
about that but it just it sucks quick

1586
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:02,710
but I I mean I guess it's time we put

1587
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:05,530
all yellow down gentlemen stand sir it's

1588
01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:07,270
been an absolute pleasure keep doing

1589
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:10,240
what you do I'm gonna cry and thanks for

1590
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:13,150
having me and thank you thank you have a

1591
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,560
good day sir thank you Dan wow what the

1592
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:19,120
[\h__\h] call I can't believe we just did

1593
01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:21,850
that yeah for those of you don't know

1594
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,040
man Kyle here he runs the facebook page

1595
01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:27,280
for conspiracies please if you want to

1596
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,840
see harsh truths and interesting

1597
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:30,880
speculation in your newsfeed give it a

1598
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:32,740
like he does an excellent job seriously

1599
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:35,650
that's the coolest should I see all day

1600
01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:37,510
is that page so thank you for doing that

1601
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:40,150
yes I feel every image from everyone

1602
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:41,620
else on the Internet so thank them as

1603
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:44,500
well that's the American Way what'd you

1604
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:45,610
think of that do you think that went

1605
01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:48,460
pretty well the guy's an expert he's

1606
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:50,380
definitely talked with a lot of dead

1607
01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:52,810
people and he's been doing it a long

1608
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,910
time so I got twenty seventy eight years

1609
01:11:58,420 --> 01:11:57,040
old that goes with the territory yeah

1610
01:12:00,760 --> 01:11:58,430
can I

1611
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:00,770
I it's sad because I you know nick

1612
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:02,390
redfern point on the last episode I just

1613
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:04,580
think people are going to die out and

1614
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,050
there's not going to be anyone who knows

1615
01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:08,320
and all the documents are redacted and

1616
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:10,520
you know the secrets are going to die

1617
01:12:15,370 --> 01:12:12,170
and it sucks is further we get away from

1618
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:15,380
it you know it gets away from us yeah

1619
01:12:21,490 --> 01:12:19,730
but it's not just the UFO thing that

1620
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:21,500
there's a cosmic Watergate it's just a

1621
01:12:25,690 --> 01:12:24,110
huge wealth of information that is

1622
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:25,700
withheld from the public on every single

1623
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:28,910
level and the people starting to realize

1624
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:30,860
that I hope and yeah I mean the question

1625
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:33,170
you asked Stanley actually does say in

1626
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:35,560
the book a little bit that the

1627
01:12:39,010 --> 01:12:37,490
implications of the technologies you're

1628
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:39,020
talking about would be cataclysmic to

1629
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:41,630
the economy and so it see they're just

1630
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:44,750
not instituted and i agree with you i

1631
01:12:49,170 --> 01:12:46,430
mean i know you were kind of going at

1632
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:49,180
that angle that it's for the greed of

1633
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:51,980
elitist that they're just going to take

1634
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:55,040
advantage of us on primitive systems

1635
01:12:59,950 --> 01:12:57,830
while they may and i'm not convinced

1636
01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:59,960
that they've instituted these systems

1637
01:13:03,490 --> 01:13:01,670
for their own use like I'm not sure

1638
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:03,500
Henry Kissinger's house runs on free

1639
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:05,900
energy but you know in his day they were

1640
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:08,480
working on nuclear weapons and I think

1641
01:13:11,860 --> 01:13:10,280
today they're working on energy and i

1642
01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:11,870
think that there's probably been

1643
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:13,940
advances that you know we can't even

1644
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:15,410
fathom I mean you look at what we

1645
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:17,510
publicly have seen just with phones and

1646
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:19,700
the Internet in our lifetime think about

1647
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:21,230
what we don't know they're probably two

1648
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:24,610
generations ahead and just that's insane

1649
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:26,750
it's impossible to know what they

1650
01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:28,970
actually have I mean Dan is talking

1651
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:31,400
about nuclear submarines when people

1652
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:33,290
think a nuclear power thing a giant

1653
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:36,590
Fukushima like reactors huge

1654
01:13:42,370 --> 01:13:39,290
installations and what stan is talking

1655
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:42,380
about is in the 50s having naval

1656
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:44,170
submersibles that are running off of

1657
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:48,170
nuclear fission or fusion essentially

1658
01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:51,890
and the implications of that is that a

1659
01:13:58,170 --> 01:13:54,470
very small device could be used to run

1660
01:14:01,390 --> 01:13:58,180
things from seemingly endless energy and

1661
01:14:05,710 --> 01:14:01,400
instead what we're doing is burning coal

1662
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,720
when bang bang boat fare I mean but the

1663
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:07,760
quote the question is though is it safe

1664
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:09,350
because you know we've only had a few

1665
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:12,100
disasters and they really are Cataclysm

1666
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:13,990
so is it a safe technology I mean I

1667
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:15,850
don't know enough about it I mean stands

1668
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:17,200
clearly thinks it is I mean it's

1669
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:18,250
interesting that he's worked so closely

1670
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:20,590
with it and he doesn't have cancer I

1671
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:22,750
mean that's just an interesting thing to

1672
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:25,510
me because it seems like the ideas

1673
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:26,950
behind it that it's so dangerous you

1674
01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:29,560
can't even get [\h__\h] close to it but I

1675
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:31,000
mean I'm sure he's taking his

1676
01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:33,130
precautions but he's it's been a big

1677
01:14:36,660 --> 01:14:35,140
part of his life I thought it was very

1678
01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:36,670
strange answer when you asked about

1679
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:38,500
Fukushima that he said a certain amount

1680
01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:40,570
of radiation was beneficial to mankind

1681
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:43,180
ice yeah I highly doubt that nuclear

1682
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:46,300
disasters going to have a net benefit

1683
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:48,490
humanity but well I get to remain

1684
01:14:54,030 --> 01:14:51,970
sleeping there thanks again for coming

1685
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:54,040
on the show that was a great opportunity

1686
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,590
we talked to a guy's just done so much

1687
01:15:00,990 --> 01:14:58,480
in his lifetime you know you're welcome

1688
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:01,000
folks I gotta say here's track it's a

1689
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:04,330
favorite of mine watchtower by heist

1690
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:06,460
click to play us out into the infinite

1691
01:15:16,170 --> 01:15:09,250
abyss Kyle thanks again thank you higher

1692
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:19,560
with the Renegades castaways outlaws to

1693
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:21,430
the game like Thomas Paine ones they

1694
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:23,890
masquerade us who's the blame is now set

1695
01:15:29,490 --> 01:15:27,160
to slowly hey we made us know Lisa sees

1696
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,500
the police to show piece of these me no

1697
01:15:37,050 --> 01:15:32,080
William piece underneath the Beast lies

1698
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:37,060
dormant underground subliminal on it

1699
01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:39,460
like a RS one cuz I'm criminal minded a

1700
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:41,560
run with soldiers amongst the vultures

1701
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:46,060
may under control live in the battle

1702
01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:47,830
slowly I walk through the valley of

1703
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:49,630
shadow and there's no man it's gonna

1704
01:16:08,140 --> 01:15:51,640
keep me down to the deep to the king

1705
01:16:08,150 --> 01:16:11,820
Oh

1706
01:16:17,290 --> 01:16:14,440
before we learn to burn my eyes out and

1707
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:17,300
would your lights out like who's but

1708
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:19,370
wiser than the act like jumpy and fight

1709
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:21,710
the power when the thought crossed the

1710
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:23,450
watchtower and shower the game with

1711
01:16:27,310 --> 01:16:25,490
Anson Blane every hour developing scorn

1712
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:27,320
for politicians in office they keep

1713
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:29,540
watching satellites normally so hold

1714
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:31,610
your breath now walk the front line the

1715
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:34,690
streets all America's wars of gold mine

1716
01:16:43,050 --> 01:16:38,940
to abuse you juggers waste

1717
01:17:02,480 --> 01:16:46,150
we heard the lies a c-sec apartment we

1718
01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:05,940
Oh

1719
01:17:10,810 --> 01:17:08,710
can't run faster when i completed the

1720
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:10,820
strings of the puppet master the chains

1721
01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:15,040
unleash the rage smash the padlock

1722
01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:22,169
looking for you we walk under the weight

1723
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:26,970
bring more heat I pull ahead w a man

1724
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:29,710
bought the boat I'm the bad guys off of

1725
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:35,750
like no beautiful hold a nice click down

1726
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:38,030
I know you won't itch cream too sweet so

1727
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:58,520
down

1728
01:17:58,530 --> 01:18:01,010
Angie

1729
01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:05,280
down